Sebastian Rahtz wrote 
> Chris Rowley writes:
> > Only in the "real soon now" world; I would say that, even with the
> > megabucks behind it, it still needs to be `realworld tested'.
> >
> an awful lot of people have their shirts on XML. its extremely widely
> deployed. are you still waiting for Java to be realworld tested too?
Me, I am not waiting for anything. I have laready wittered on too
long about the differences betwen a computer programming langauge and
a document description language so I will just say that this is irrelevant.
> some people are still waiting for everything except FORTRAN to be
> realworld tested.
Not me, but XML is nothing if it is not both usable and used in a wide
variety of contexts.
I hope it will be but megashirst are not the only thing needed to
make this happebn.
>
> > MathML and Sebastian's ideas of semantic markup cater very well for
> > the ideal of what Physicists and Computer Scientists (ie people who
> > designed Mathematica and Maple) think maths and maths notation is.
> leaving me out of it, since I have no views,
That never stopped you expressing them, did it?
> why is your math more
> "real" than their math? your view comes over as awfully elitist and
> snobbish :}
Did I say it was more or less real? All I said was that their
philosophy of and hence (probably) their use of notation is different,
no quantitative assessment was given. Maybe to a publisher maths is
maths is maths, but not to those who have to try and teach it to a
vast range of people.
An interesting example of a major difference between different uses of
math notation, in countries that use Cyrillic script, was brought to
my attention recently and may be of interest to some: amongst the more
classical users of maths, such as physicists, mathematicians, etc,
only occasional, specialised use is made of Cyrrilic letters within
math notation; however, within subjects such as economics, it is
common for the basic variables such as x, y to be replaced by
Cyrillic letters, and for operators such as min, max, sin, cos etc etc
to also be replaced by the local name in Cyrrilc script.
>
> > level). It's use of notation and its relation to the semantics are
> > very complex and probably;y not wellunderstood (they are more like
> > the relationship of natural language to the real world than like the
> fine. you carry on with presentation mathml. noone forces you to use
> content mathml. i dont see any conflict
Neither do I, but them I am not trying to generate or look for
conflict, maybe you are?
Your opinion is interestingly different to Dr Carlisle's: he said I
need to go the other the way, beyond content MathML to OpenMath.
But what I do is neither here nor there: I am not interested in any
particular constituency, publishers, academics, Ms users, etc, etc.
So let us depersonalise and depoliticise this and broaden the
discussion beyond your commercial, antiacademic, antielitist,
spindoctored, textbites:)?
> presumably you would agree, then, that one possibility is a new LaTeX
> (presentation) math markup learning the lessons of MathML?
I always agree with you, don't I? It's just that you never agree with
me:).
chris
