On Monday, October 20, 1997 at 7:29:48 pm MET,
Phillip Helbig <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> like in von Beethoven, where the von is kind of equivalent to the English
>> `lord' (it also means `of' but if I do not err, Beethoven was not a von
>> Beethoven all of his life). I would prefer to find him underneath B.
>I believe it was actually `Ludwig van Beethoven' even though he was
>German, not Dutch.
>The German `von' is the normal word for `of' or `from' and carries
>aristocratic connotations in a name, just as `Reginald of Kent' does and
>Reginald Kent does not, especially if it is `Graf von' (`Count of') or
You are right. I always thought Beethoven was knighted at some moment in his
life, but I looked it up in the encyclopedia and it turned out that Van
Beethoven is a Flemmish (Belgium) family name. So, if my Belgium friends are
right, we should write Ludwig Van Beethoven.
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