>>>>> "David" == David Carlisle <[log in to unmask]> writes:

>> usually 10% to 60% of \textheight.

> ie too large to go in top, too small to make a float page on
> their own, ideal material for taking to the end of the document,
> given the default latex parameter settings!

It certainly would help a little bit if the output routine would be
more verbose.  FMi now worked on the output routine and told us at the
DANTE meeting that the float placing algorithm works much better than
people think.

But in fact it is a black box.  It is hard to find out why a float is
not placed.  It doesn't provide any information *why* a float is
deferred, and which variable I have to change.

On the other hand, the output routine provides useful information.

When I have a text that contains several verbatim environments and I
get the message

Overfull \hbox (1.39494pt too wide) in paragraph at lines 39--43

I can increase \textwidth by 1.39494pt and everything is well.
Something like this is impossible with floats because I don't get any
information.

In the current LaTeX2e, float placement is black magic.

BTW., writing such information to the log file could encourage people
to read log files.  I hope.  I'm not sure they do.

Regards,
Reinhard

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