the discussion list about future versions of latex is _not_ the place to ask about retrieving current versions of the software. please respect the subject matter of the mailing list. all the software you've so far asked about is available from ctan. tex distribution, inc latex, from http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/unix/tetex (navigate to binary distributions and retrieve the relevant files). other things, locate using http://www.ctan.org/search Robin Fairbairns For the LaTeX Team