David Kastrup <[log in to unmask]> writes: > > > > This probably doesn't belong on this list, so email me. > > Guffaw. Output routine design details in connection with LaTeX don't > belong on the LaTeX-L list? I was rushed to finish off. What I meant to say is that I could look at some specific failed attempt to use \holdinginserts, and would take that by direct mail. The problem with \penalty\outputpenalty is that \outputpenalty=10000 and prevents the same page break instead of forcing the same break. I would use a unique force-break penalty. -- Donald Arseneau [log in to unmask]