Hi Chris, I think that what I am trying to achieve is something that would look like it was born in MS Word or one of its OSS clones rather than in a printer's shop. Try including only the second one: \usepackage{mathptmx} You should get Times Roman, which is the default in Word. what would appear to be two maths package should result in a font switch. You're right that it's a peculiar name. The "tm" buried in there is actually an abbreviation for Times (don't ask). Background in case you care: The thing is that TeX has been around so long, all the obvious names (like \usepackage{times}) were used long ago. The new package (mathptmx) has different (and better) behavior than the old, and to keep old documents working, we don't want to change the behavior without also changing the name. Having the plethora of different names is a downside in itself, granted, but breaking old documents seems worse, so ... here we are. Happy typesetting, Karl