As I had used (for one and a half year) and appreciate both TeX and LaTeX, and I have learned it to the point of being a TeXpert (not measured by the average of this list, but for the outside world), and some other reasons that now don't matter, I wanted to cooperate in the development of LaTeX3, and I realized that it was really different form the LaTeX I knew, and so I planed to slowly learn the current state of LaTeX3. I found at the project page something that seemed what I was precisely looking for: >>For those less experienced with version control systems, getting the >>packages might be easier, at the price of having to settle for >>somewhat older code. And I was not interested in the absolutely latest code, and so I downloaded that set of packages. I started reading (and understanding the code) the documentation dvi's generated from the .dtx, but I have few time (as all of us, I suspect. Is there anybody on the earth interested in these things and that has enough time to dedicate to it?) and I didn't go beyond xbase. I found that there were missing some essential things, such as an explanation of the command sintax and all the abreviations (tlp, ...). I also missed and explanation on how to experiment with that code. ¿Should it be put on top of Latex2E? And if so, how? (ie. usepackage{},...)? Is it on the contrary meant to be used independent from the current LaTeX kernel? If so, how do I generate the formats?, ... After having read the one about templates, and some messages form this list (though old ones, I plan to read the messages from the last years to get an idea of the current state of the conceptual matters) I wanted to make some remarks on templates. But before that, and since I hadn't got to the latest years in reading messages, I wanted to first look at the latest code not to make useless remarks. I went to the other link, dowloaded the whole directory and, what I found?: A wonderfull readme file, with precise explanations on what to do with it. I easily generated the formats, so that now I can experiment with code, and equally easily I genarate a one piece pdf with all the documentation, starting with the explanation of the conventions. It is a relief the fact that I didn't go further braking my head (does this expression exist in english or is just a litteral translation form Spanish?) trying to understand the packages from the archive. As it can be read in http://www.latex-project.org/code.html you get the idea that if you are arriving for first time at LaTeX3 stuff and you are quite lost, you should go to the archive, while it is not. Whether you are interested or not in the latest code, (even if you don't know what a CVS is, as was my case), the CVS repository, with its readme and .ins files, is much usefull. Posibly the archive with its 2001 packages (is it abandoned?) should be removed, or if there is some reason not to do it, the explanation at http://www.latex-project.org/code.html should clearly direct new people interested in LaTeX3 to the CVS directory, or include the readme and .ins in the archive. I hope I haven't bothered you. A minor remark: there is an extra " in line 342 of l3basics.dtx. Where do I direct in the future such minor remarks about the files? I guess this list is not the place to. Javier