On Feb 12, 2008, at 4:57 PM, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > the problem that > this OR is intending to tackle and resolve: multicolumn layout with > flexible > float handling > > so using an interface that says "don't do that then" isn't really > what I'm > looking for Just read through what's been posted thus far briefly, but wanted to comment on a couple of desires: - view-together rules --- an ability to require that an ad and its listing appear on a spread (or even on the same page) - separation rules --- the ad for this car dealership can't appear on the same spread as a competing dealership. - optional floats, e.g., filler ads --- if a listing and its ad need to be on a page, and there's no room for the ad on a right page, pad that page out w/ a filler ad (or graphic) from a list provided at the beginning of the document (or section) It seems pretty obvious we'd want more than just htbp for options though. Ages ago, I posted a description of the workflow which I use in paging a document by hand --- it's all pretty obvious stuff, but it does all come down to trial and error and examining and discarding n- possibilities until the section / chapter comes out as desired. William -- William Adams senior graphic designer Fry Communications