Hello, Yet more questions. Question 1. The various counter-creation macros in expl3 work like \newcount. There doesn't seem to be anything like \newcounter, for creating something with a user-facing \the<counter>. Should counters that go near the user stick with \newcounter for the moment, or should one define \c@<counter> and \the<counter> "by hand" so that things look the same for the user? I guess this is partly a philosophical question! Question 2. Why is \clist_map_break:w "weird"? It doesn't take an argument from a use point of view, so I'd have expected \clist_map_break:. Do tell me to stop if I'm asking too much! -- Joseph Wright