The German Wikipedia article on LuaTeX, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuaTeX has been suggested for deletion -- does anybody want to contribute to the discussion? (Click in the box on top of the article page). Reason (or "reason") for suggestion: "irrelevant", since first stable version expected for 2010 only. I consider the level of the discussion not very high, even the defending votes are bad. (Just tried a better one.) Anyway, there is some general quarrel about deleting Wikipedia articles, some "movement" of "users" (editors) is organizing itself towards expressing annoyance about a trait of others which expresses itself as a tendency towards suggest articles for deletion all along. By contrast with the criterion or "reason" "too bad" (which allows rebirth with an improved try however), the criterion of "relevance" is delicate, since many articles in the Wikipedia are "relevant" only for experts on a certain field anyway. (Just posted this on texhax, maybe confusing recent texhax postings and recent latex-l postings.) !? Uwe.