Hi all, I guess this question is raised from time to time – now I am asking ;) As far as I understand, there is still no own LaTeX3 format because the code just is not ready. But expl3 is more or less stable and some important packages (e.g. fontspec) make heavy use of it causing many people to load expl3 at the beginning of their document. As this is somewhat time-consuming, Philipp Stephani suggested about a month ago on the lualatex-dev list the introduction of a "LaTeX 2.2" format with expl3 and xpackages (and fontspec) preloaded. So what is the "official" meaning of the LaTeX3 team? Are there any plans for a test format? Or is it not intended/possible/ ? Such a format could be a very good test for stability and useability, would show progress to the users and could be distributed via TLcontrib so the normal user would not be confused by this, but the experienced user could easily test and try LaTeX3. Cheers Arno