I can't see anything worrying in that statement. What has developed so far for L3 nicely enough runs on top of a 2e format but the more it becomes complete the more will be the two centuries of plain TeX + LaTeX 2.09 + 2e code in the current format become a burden. And as a result there may be a point when it will be more economical to drop that format (and perhaps support certain 2e code as a package). Whether the new thing is then a format in the old sense or something that is loaded (like it is now into 2e) remains to be seen. So in that sense it might be not a "format" because these days the loading part is not really taking that long any more. Frank ... written on the iPad but not from an iBar Am 18.07.2013 um 16:56 schrieb Chris Rowley <[log in to unmask]>: > Joseph > >>> Until we actually have the basics of a new format, > > A new format??? > > That sounds worrying as I am passing the message to the million+ everyday users of LaTeX that there will never again be a need for different 'formats' with all its technical and sociological problems, primarily because they are handy only for last century's technology levels. > > So I hope we can have a consistent message on this. > > Chris > > > PSent from a bar . . . maybe an iBar. >