Hello Will, when I load unicode-math after amsmath, the amsmath option intlimits has no effect any more. The options sumlimits and namelimits still work as expected. \documentclass{article} \usepackage[intlimits,sumlimits,namelimits]{amsmath} \usepackage{unicode-math} \begin{document} \[ \int_{0}^{1} \] \[ \sum_{i=0}^{1} \] \[ \lim_{x\to\infty} \] \end{document} Even worse, when I reverse the order (loading unicode-math first), the operator \lim is printed in italics. This is so strange that I can't believe it. Can anybody confirm this behavior? I tested with both, lualatex and xelatex and TeX Live 2012, 2013,..,2019. Same result, as expected. The above is a minimal example. When unicode-math is loaded first I only get a warning "Package amsmath Warning: Unable to redefine math accent \mathring.". But when I use other fonts like TeX Gyre Pagella with fontspec and texgyrepagella-math.otf with unicode-math, I get zillions of error messages about already defined control sequences. Thus I suppose that amsmath has to be loaded before unicode-math unconditionally. If this assumption is true it would be better if amsmath aborts with a meaningful error message if it detects an already loaded unicode-math. I'm aware that not all dependency issues can be resolved this way. ATM there are 180,000 files in TeX Live, three times more than ten years ago and the number is steadily growing. But if only the LaTeX core packages complain when loaded in an inappropriate order, that would be a great advantage. I'll meet Frank next week at the BachoTeX conference in Poland. Will, did you ever consider to attend this amazing conferece? Though it's [officially] the conference of the Polish TeX User Group, it's quite international. In the past it was attended by people from innumerable European countries, Japan, America, and Australia. The conference site (in a nature sanctuary) is an ideal place where families with [little] children can relax. BachoTeX even offers workshops which little kids can attend. See http://www.gust.org.pl/bachotex/bachotex-promo/bachotex-1920x1080.pdf If you didn't register already, I really hope to meet you there next year. Regards, Reinhard -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Reinhard Kotucha Phone: +49-511-3373112 Marschnerstr. 25 D-30167 Hannover mailto:[log in to unmask] ------------------------------------------------------------------