Hello, I'm the developer of the kerTeX TeX and al. distribution. kerTeX has, of course TeX and e-TeX, but not other engines. The first "engine" modification of LaTeX, a few months ago, was to request the e-TeX extensions and drop vanilla TeX. OK, done. Now the last modification requires extensions not present in e-TeX. Until now I was able to provide the kerTeX users with a LaTeX package (I'm not myself a LaTeX user). I will not be able to follow if this stays the same way. So I'd like to have a clear understanding of the issues: 1) Is LaTeX3 aimed to be a "TeX" free engine, that is will not run on a TeX (at least a e-TeX) engine in the future? 2) If this step is taken, can you provide on CTAN a latex2e link to the last TeX compatible version (for the moment, latex2e points to the latest latex that is, IIUC, latex3...)? 3) What are the so crucial primitives, not present in TeX or e-TeX, that it is not possible to treat them as possible extensions, been tested against for conditional treatment inclusions, but have to be absolute required ones? If they do exist, and have nothing to do with post-processing that is printing specially in PDF (which should be deferred to post-processing utilities), are there change files to be applied to e-TeX in order to create a special engine meeting your requirements? 4) Are the modifications so deep that for the hundreds of LaTeX related macros already written, they will have to be rewritten to continue to be compatible with LaTeX3? Thanks in advance for clarifications! -- Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com> http://www.kergis.com/ http://www.kergis.com/kertex.html http://www.sbfa.fr/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C