[Since we're all about to get thrown off the list anyway, for off-topic mails, I may as well add my two-penn'orth!] >> personally, i hope HTML 4 remains a gleam in the eye of Raggett and >> chums and we are never plagued with it. Every new web page I create conforms to the HTML 4.0 spec. I _want_ en- and em-dashes, cascading style sheets and so on: don't you? ** Phil.