Sebastian wrote -- > one has to start asking if you and I inhabit the same world! yes, of > course Web heads all want better and better and better wotsits, Not sure, but I was not talking about heads, just 'ornery folk who want useful, usable stuff that works! > the growth of Web usage is *surely* undeniable evidence that it > satifies some basic needs? what else is happiness? Mmm, so does working (in our wonderful new society:-) and breathing but I do not normally associate these necesities with "happiness". > why do yo think i have a printer available as I do my course? Exactly... But think of all those who do not. > i was talking abolute numbers, not proportions. hence the word "many". How amazing, I would never have guessed: do archeologists always do that? > > > lot of basic stuff in common. Thus in the context of this list, there > > is no need to make a large distinction but just to extend our idea of > > what a document is. > sure, no large distinction. but Lucida New Math vs CMR is a detail maybe, maybe not a detail; but not really the sort of design issue i had in mind at the time. > > am curious to hear what your professional bodies have done to help you > get your 10pt CM PDF documents up. Put money into such things as a system that produces them and makes them (relatively freely) acessible. And, more recently, putting a huge (questionably so???) effort into producing character sets and glyph sets and ... etc etc. OK, I know that some publishers are also supporting this but I do not think that they alone would have started it nor that they would have available the expertise needed, however glowing their academic pedigree may be. chris