Sebastian > i think the evidence is that commonest ways to create HTML pages are > people using "vi" and "notepad". but i cant quote any sources for that Aaagh!! You really did mean by hand: well more fools them is all I can say. The only people i have even heard of doing that also create LaTeX that way, something I have not done for many years, excpet out of necessity when in far-off parts of the world (like Mainz:-). Although even I have to admit to making the occasional tweek to some html in notepad (but only because I do not know how to configure IE to dump me into a proper editor). > hurrah. i agree, 100% shurely shomething wrong, ed??:-) chris