Dear friends, Being an audience a big time, I have found that this is indeed a very funny mailing list (Seeing personal heros like frank, chris, sebastian, ... joking, blaming each other, etc. :^) But back to main problem, I can't think of what you are doing. I think this SGML guideline is a very bad fall. Is it that way there, or your people are really using emacs for HTML?! Here in our university, except TeXies, noone thinks of writing it by hand. They are using things like FrontPage, and at best chance Netscape Composer. I can't resist living in a world in which people use icrosoft Garbage 2000' for writing TeX documents. (Remember that journal's April joke, Knuth and Microsoft?) I am really thinking about forgetting all efforts I have had to widen the use of TeX and stuff in this part of the world, if LaTeX is going this way, to get converted to a typesetting engine used by some What You See Is All You've Got system. (What about Microsft Word using the LaTeX engine?) Sorry for being rude, but where are you going guys? Ok, Knuth liked the quick and dirty way, but I don't like saying <DIV id="client-boyera" class="client"> <P><SPAN class="client-title">Client information:</SPAN> some stuff</DIV> (quoted from HTML4.0 description from W3C) which is more dirty. Do you? (and remained a TeXie?) Do you see it user friendly and readable? Like LaTeX code? Have you thought about mass users, about poor students preparing their thesis, poor professors trying to concentrate on DIV and SPAN? I love generic markup, but to what price? One's soul? ;) Sorry for duckspeak, perhaps a Knuth's fan is a stranger here in TeXsoc :) --Roozbeh Pournader, Sharif Univ. of Tech., Tehran, IRAN.