James writes: to answer the last question first: > Also are there plans to release any experimental template definitions, > to supplement the two caption templates and the initial example on the > slides? yes there are plans. there is a whole bunch of stuff for lists, headings, tocs, paragraph formatting, etc more or less ready, but it depends on the galley interface (see talk) and i'm still changing my mind on the implementation of that and working on the documentation. (the sample on initials like most of the other stuff described in the talk is actually working --- not just white paper :-) David is working on the frontmatter part so that might come soon as well. but on the other hand it would be nice if one or the other of the people listening in would try their hand on the stuff as well without being influenced by the templates i wrote already. Also: without actual implementations it would be very beneficial (in my eyes) to think about suitable template types for certain tasks. i have deliberately taken some time writing down thoughts on a "caption" template type (perhaps better called "typesetcaption") to explain why this is something that needs thought, ideas and input from many people. in the talk a few template types are described as well (the list template type is actually implemented with two different templates one for vertically oriented lists and one for inline lists) and i would be very glad if people would step back and try thinking whether those types provide what is needed? do they pass the right kind of information to the formatting tasks? is there something else needed or different approaches for, say, lists suitable template types to discuss would be headings footnotes lists or any other you would fancy but for the moment that seems to me enough to keep the discussion a bit focused frank ps will come to the other part of the mail later