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Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:25:37 +0200
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Uwe Lück <[log in to unmask]> writes:

> Dear Erik Luijten,
> At 01:00 16.04.05, Erik Luijten wrote:
>>2. As a physicist, I frequently use the widely-used package "revtex". I
>>found that this breaks lineno completely (both version 3 and version 4). I
>>was wondering whether there is a chance that lineno.sty can be made
>>compatible with revtex?
> This is due to a mistake in revtex's way of changing the output routine.
> After a \newtoks\output, the new output routine invokes \the\output,
> it should use a private string instead (\let\rev@output\output ...).
> lineno.sty tries the same trick, but due to revtex's \the\output,
> lineno's output routine is entirely ignored.
> This was pointed out by David Kastrup recently. I had made the
> mistake myself, and so has lineno.sty done up to now. David Kastrup
> called it a "standard mistake", I wondered who made it else, now
> I find it funny to see another instance.

Perhaps the most glaring instance: latex.ltx

\frozen@everymath = {\check@mathfonts
\frozen@everydisplay = {\check@mathfonts

I have reported this as a bug several years ago, IIRC including
examples of stuff that breaks because of this.

I think it was more or less declined to fix this because of "bug

If you take a look at amsmath.sty, it sometimes uses \everymath and
\everydisplay, sometimes \frozen@everymath and \[log in to unmask]
The resulting code is rather opaque, and it is hard to imagine that it
can be both correct and _recognizable_ as correct.

All of this would be unnecessary if latex.ltx redirected the hooks in
the proper manner described.

> "Mistake" may be inappropriate, but David Kastrup's proposal is
> a helpful convention.

A programming practise that will break if anybody else will use it
too, is a mistake.  Call it a violation of a programmer's
"Kategorischer Imperativ".

You can see that as a result amsmath.sty broke in several places, and
a fragile pseudofix has been applied at those places that actually
triggered a bug report up to now.

I think "mistake" is quite appropriate to characterize such coding

David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum