Frank Mittelbach <[log in to unmask]> writes:

> David
>
>  > > so does yours i think, or how was your proposal meant?
>  >
>  > It was supposed to hit at \label time.  But since putting a label
>
> i still don't see how that would work without starting to rewrite
> the code for \label which would be awfully dangerous and error
> prone. so if i overlook something obvious i would be interested to
> see how you would go for it. as i understand your code fragment it
> only hits at \ref time

No, it hits at the \protected@edef in \label, since it contains an
undefined control sequence name.  But it was a stupid idea, anyway.

>  > >  > > any suggestion for a good text?
>  > >  >
>  > >  > \label{whatever} without preceding or enclosing \caption.
>  > >  > Labels must follow the item they are referencing.
>  > >
>  > > well "whatever" is not known when we generate that text, is it?
>  >
>  > Probably not.  But doesn't \label use something like
>  > \protected@edef before \write?  If the label name at that time
>  > was stored in some macro, it should be possible to have it
>  > written out as part of the text.
>
> but not by the time you see the \ref.

It would be expanded by the \protected@edef, of course.  That is at
\label time.

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